Comments on: Are Hardcore Gamers Buying the Nintendo Wii? http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii For Canadian Gamers eh? Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:21:24 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: arctic yesterday http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-236 arctic yesterday Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:26:18 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-236 @djom, "nintendo abandoned its original fans" Nintendo's fans have been there for the Zelda's, Marios, Metroids, Karts, Animal Crossings, and Smash, etc. and not have those games all come to the Wii, but they are some of the best in their series. As a Wii owner and Nintendo fan, I'm actually more pleased than I've been in years. We're getting WAY more and better content on the Wii than we did on the gamecube, and even the N64. Nintendo has been releasing exactly the games that NInty fans WANT. I just don't get where all the bitterness comes from. My guess is, the people crying that Nintendo is abandoning the core, are probably gamers who abandoned nintendo back when the PS1 came out. @djom,

“nintendo abandoned its original fans”

Nintendo’s fans have been there for the Zelda’s, Marios, Metroids, Karts, Animal Crossings, and Smash, etc. and not have those games all come to the Wii, but they are some of the best in their series. As a Wii owner and Nintendo fan, I’m actually more pleased than I’ve been in years. We’re getting WAY more and better content on the Wii than we did on the gamecube, and even the N64. Nintendo has been releasing exactly the games that NInty fans WANT. I just don’t get where all the bitterness comes from. My guess is, the people crying that Nintendo is abandoning the core, are probably gamers who abandoned nintendo back when the PS1 came out.

]]> By: Djomblade http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-235 Djomblade Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:00:04 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-235 I cant believe what the lot of you here are saying. It is more than laughable. The author is right on the money when he says nintendo abandoned its original fans. The whole lot of you who dont believe so are not just fools...youre DAMN FOOLS! Wake the f**k up already. I cant believe what the lot of you here are saying. It is more than laughable. The author is right on the money when he says nintendo abandoned its original fans. The whole lot of you who dont believe so are not just fools…youre DAMN FOOLS! Wake the f**k up already.

]]> By: Danes http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-234 Danes Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:31:32 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-234 Referring to the article. And as a retail employee, I've seen a ton of Wii's moved, often making the media dep'ts budget for the day. But if you look at the attach rate of the games going out, there aren't many. Games like Zelda, RE, No More Heroes, Red Steel, and Boomblox (the outlier in games for the hardcore, but it's a puzzle game) are all ignored while overrated, underdeveloped games go out all the time. Games like Ninjabreadman, Wii fit, and knock offs of originally decent games (Carnival fair or w/e it's called as a cheap knock off of Carnival games is an example); just because of hype or more importantly to the casual consumer base, the price. I've met many hardcore gamers who originally bought the system, played the original "hardcore" games, and when that dried up they were left hanging, so sold their console. Nintendo had this idea behind it, where it used to cater to both sides of the line, and the hardcore and the casual both played things like the N64. It had original games coming out that people could relate to and have fun with. It's a giant part of what made gaming what it is today. But it's detracted from that path. No more original IP's are coming out. As with many things before it that have seen their rise and their inevitable fall, maybe Nintendo's Wii was a brief revival to the coughing ailing giant they once were. I believe the sad death knoll for Nintendo has started. And who will they have at their funeral? the casual will have either left or moved onto a different system. And the hardcore were ditched years before. Referring to the article. And as a retail employee, I’ve seen a ton of Wii’s moved, often making the media dep’ts budget for the day. But if you look at the attach rate of the games going out, there aren’t many. Games like Zelda, RE, No More Heroes, Red Steel, and Boomblox (the outlier in games for the hardcore, but it’s a puzzle game) are all ignored while overrated, underdeveloped games go out all the time. Games like Ninjabreadman, Wii fit, and knock offs of originally decent games (Carnival fair or w/e it’s called as a cheap knock off of Carnival games is an example); just because of hype or more importantly to the casual consumer base, the price. I’ve met many hardcore gamers who originally bought the system, played the original “hardcore” games, and when that dried up they were left hanging, so sold their console. Nintendo had this idea behind it, where it used to cater to both sides of the line, and the hardcore and the casual both played things like the N64. It had original games coming out that people could relate to and have fun with. It’s a giant part of what made gaming what it is today. But it’s detracted from that path. No more original IP’s are coming out.

As with many things before it that have seen their rise and their inevitable fall, maybe Nintendo’s Wii was a brief revival to the coughing ailing giant they once were. I believe the sad death knoll for Nintendo has started. And who will they have at their funeral? the casual will have either left or moved onto a different system. And the hardcore were ditched years before.

]]> By: arctic yesterday http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-233 arctic yesterday Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:18:14 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-233 "Honestly I’m not impressed with Nintendo’s hard core gamer offerings. " Ok, fine, but they're just as hardcore as they ever were(or werent). If you didn't link Nintendos core games, why buy a Wii? Did you think suddenly they would introduce headshots in a mario game? Or that maybe Link would now be able to Teabag? I mean, c'mon. They've given nintendo fans what they want as well as bringing new fans. Is that so bad? “Honestly I’m not impressed with Nintendo’s hard core gamer offerings. ”

Ok, fine, but they’re just as hardcore as they ever were(or werent). If you didn’t link Nintendos core games, why buy a Wii? Did you think suddenly they would introduce headshots in a mario game? Or that maybe Link would now be able to Teabag? I mean, c’mon. They’ve given nintendo fans what they want as well as bringing new fans. Is that so bad?

]]> By: jagstatboy http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-232 jagstatboy Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:50:21 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-232 I have owned the NES, SNES, N64, GC, and now Wii and DS (and PC, PS2, and PS3). I also had Atari 2600 and Commodore64 before that. I like going back and forth between the Wii and PS3. I get my COD4 fix as well as Mario, Zelda, etc. I also love playing the Resident Evil Gamecube games. I'm excited about Resistance 2 and RE5 as well as The Conduit and the next Mario. I laugh because I can't decide what version of The Force Unleashed to get. I would love to try Fallout 3 and FF but between work and family there's now way...I have less than 10 hrs a week to play. I have been a Nintendo fan a super long time but have only recently jumped in with Sony. Maybe because I am 40 yrs old and am getting a HDTV and would like to game in high-def.....but, I will always love Nintendo and will probably support them and Sony in the future (the PS3 is a great value with built-in Blu-ray). Sorry, I won't be getting an Xbrick 360. I have owned the NES, SNES, N64, GC, and now Wii and DS (and PC, PS2, and PS3). I also had Atari 2600 and Commodore64 before that. I like going back and forth between the Wii and PS3. I get my COD4 fix as well as Mario, Zelda, etc. I also love playing the Resident Evil Gamecube games. I’m excited about Resistance 2 and RE5 as well as The Conduit and the next Mario. I laugh because I can’t decide what version of The Force Unleashed to get. I would love to try Fallout 3 and FF but between work and family there’s now way…I have less than 10 hrs a week to play.

I have been a Nintendo fan a super long time but have only recently jumped in with Sony. Maybe because I am 40 yrs old and am getting a HDTV and would like to game in high-def…..but, I will always love Nintendo and will probably support them and Sony in the future (the PS3 is a great value with built-in Blu-ray). Sorry, I won’t be getting an Xbrick 360.

]]> By: Wolf26pack http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-231 Wolf26pack Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:40:16 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-231 I am also a Hardcore Gamer who has played since the Days of the NES. I am 23 and have enjoyed such consoles as... - NES,SNES,GBC,N64,Gamecube,GBA SP,NDSL & Now the Wii - Sega Genesis,Sega Saturn,Sega CD & Sega Dreamcast - PS1,PS2,PS3,PSP - XBOX I have purchased many a game for all the consoles for example my PS2 Collection is @ 80 + & right now my PS3 Collection stands @ 20 as for the Wii it is @ 16 and growing with a mixture of Hardcore and Casual games from both 1st & 3rd Parties. I believe that Nintendo is all about making there games fun and I have to agree with most above I don't mind waiting, as a lot of Nintendo's 1st party staple of games have already been released and I rather see a another quality Mario/Zelda title then a rushed sequel. While I like to have the best graphics. I believe it isn't the most important thing. If you have the best graphics but horrible Gameplay or Controls it will ruin the experience for you. So I really think that you have to have quality in all of the aspects of the game weather they are... - Graphics - Gameplay - Controls - Story - Music/Sound - Multiplayer/Online (If Applicable) - etc etc etc... In the end though I am glad I own a Wii as I like using it to play some truly unique games. I am always trying to look for something new to play and the Wii is always the 1st place I look. I am also a Hardcore Gamer who has played since the Days of the NES. I am 23 and have enjoyed such consoles as…

- NES,SNES,GBC,N64,Gamecube,GBA SP,NDSL & Now the Wii
- Sega Genesis,Sega Saturn,Sega CD & Sega Dreamcast
- PS1,PS2,PS3,PSP
- XBOX

I have purchased many a game for all the consoles for example my PS2 Collection is @ 80 + & right now my PS3 Collection stands @ 20 as for the Wii it is @ 16 and growing with a mixture of Hardcore and Casual games from both 1st & 3rd Parties.

I believe that Nintendo is all about making there games fun and I have to agree with most above I don’t mind waiting, as a lot of Nintendo’s 1st party staple of games have already been released and I rather see a another quality Mario/Zelda title then a rushed sequel.

While I like to have the best graphics. I believe it isn’t the most important thing. If you have the best graphics but horrible Gameplay or Controls it will ruin the experience for you. So I really think that you have to have quality in all of the aspects of the game weather they are…

- Graphics
- Gameplay
- Controls
- Story
- Music/Sound
- Multiplayer/Online (If Applicable)
- etc etc etc…

In the end though I am glad I own a Wii as I like using it to play some truly unique games. I am always trying to look for something new to play and the Wii is always the 1st place I look.

]]> By: Mr. G http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-230 Mr. G Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:19:03 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-230 Are hardcore gamers buying the Wii? Yeah, they'll be some hardcore gamers in there somewhere, but I'd say most are casual gamers. Let's face it, the Wii has quite a poor range of games, seems to be full of party games, it doesn't cater for every gamer. It's never going to have any serious racing, FPS games which you get on the 360 and PS3, and I can't see that changing. I think Wii sales will fall forcing a pricedrop. Remember that the Wii is a suped-up GameCube so with it not being very powerful, developers can only do so much with it. All in all, the Wii is just a novelty. The PS3 always seems to climb into the situation somewhere, I'm convinced that once the PS3 drops to £200 (or less), it'll start wiping the floor. And remember that if Nintendo can sell a console with a poor range of games, Sony can do the same. The price is holding the PS3 back, the Wii is cheaper in price. Are hardcore gamers buying the Wii? Yeah, they’ll be some hardcore gamers in there somewhere, but I’d say most are casual gamers. Let’s face it, the Wii has quite a poor range of games, seems to be full of party games, it doesn’t cater for every gamer. It’s never going to have any serious racing, FPS games which you get on the 360 and PS3, and I can’t see that changing. I think Wii sales will fall forcing a pricedrop. Remember that the Wii is a suped-up GameCube so with it not being very powerful, developers can only do so much with it. All in all, the Wii is just a novelty. The PS3 always seems to climb into the situation somewhere, I’m convinced that once the PS3 drops to £200 (or less), it’ll start wiping the floor. And remember that if Nintendo can sell a console with a poor range of games, Sony can do the same. The price is holding the PS3 back, the Wii is cheaper in price.

]]> By: Jason http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-229 Jason Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:10:45 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-229 @ Wiifan I thought I would be a Wii fan also. Considering I stuck with Nintendo up until the PS2. I completely skipped the Gamecube altogether because of the controller. From all of the ridiculous hype the Wii got prior to and after launch, I thought what the hell, let's give the big N another chance. After using the Wii for several months and playing all of the "Triple A" games, I can sadly say that I have lost faith in Nintendo for such a failure of a machine. It is quite evident that the Wii is made solely for raking cash in and not catering to the people who grew up on their consoles. Now other companies are also guily of money grubbing (Micro$oft and $ony) but at least we get really good hardcore games out of them. Every game I have played on the Wii could easily be played on XBOX or PS3 with a gimmicky motion controller, but with a hell of a lot better graphics to boot. If XBOX or PS3 comes out with motion controls and uses them well, along with XBOX Sports or PS3 Sports, Nintendo will be screwed.... @ Wiifan

I thought I would be a Wii fan also. Considering I stuck with Nintendo up until the PS2. I completely skipped the Gamecube altogether because of the controller. From all of the ridiculous hype the Wii got prior to and after launch, I thought what the hell, let’s give the big N another chance. After using the Wii for several months and playing all of the “Triple A” games, I can sadly say that I have lost faith in Nintendo for such a failure of a machine. It is quite evident that the Wii is made solely for raking cash in and not catering to the people who grew up on their consoles. Now other companies are also guily of money grubbing (Micro$oft and $ony) but at least we get really good hardcore games out of them. Every game I have played on the Wii could easily be played on XBOX or PS3 with a gimmicky motion controller, but with a hell of a lot better graphics to boot. If XBOX or PS3 comes out with motion controls and uses them well, along with XBOX Sports or PS3 Sports, Nintendo will be screwed….

]]> By: Edgar http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-228 Edgar Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:00:23 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-228 I bought the Wii, and now I wish I hadn't. Honestly I'm not impressed with Nintendo's hard core gamer offerings. All of the hard core gamer offerings are sequels and they're starting to get really old. I thought Twilight Princess played far too much like Ocarina Of Time (A great game but I don't want to play a remake every 5 years). Metroid Prime 3 had way too much back tracking, and it felt too much like a last gen title. I loved Mario Galaxy, that is the only that I've played for the Wii that I think really takes advantage of the controller. At any rate my kids love the Wii, so I've kept it; otherwise I would've put it up on E-Bay and bought a PS3. I bought the Wii, and now I wish I hadn’t. Honestly I’m not impressed with Nintendo’s hard core gamer offerings. All of the hard core gamer offerings are sequels and they’re starting to get really old. I thought Twilight Princess played far too much like Ocarina Of Time (A great game but I don’t want to play a remake every 5 years). Metroid Prime 3 had way too much back tracking, and it felt too much like a last gen title. I loved Mario Galaxy, that is the only that I’ve played for the Wii that I think really takes advantage of the controller. At any rate my kids love the Wii, so I’ve kept it; otherwise I would’ve put it up on E-Bay and bought a PS3.

]]> By: Razien http://www.consoleme.ca/are-hardcore-gamers-buying-the-nintendo-wii/comment-page-1#comment-227 Razien Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:39:05 +0000 http://www.consoleme.ca/?p=137#comment-227 Sorry for taking so long, but to conclude: The Wii is an amazing system. I can't tell by words how it blows my mind every time I play Metroid Prime 3, or how amazing was the first time I got into the last dungeon on Zelda TP. I tried to feel the same thing with other systems, but the only game I remember giving me this sensation was Half Life 2 on PC. I just wished that Nintendo would take more risks with every single segment of the industry, and not just with the casual (WiiMusic, WiiFit are huge risks). The quirky, innovative games that interest us are relegated to few videos before launch (Fatal Frame 4 - wich isn't that risky, and still just got (little) advertising two weeks before getting out, and still don't have a localisation confirmation; Captain Rainbow looks like a really low budget title, even with such a great idea behind; and Wario Land was relegated to a corner in E3, with no mention on the press conference). Sorry for taking so long, but to conclude:
The Wii is an amazing system. I can’t tell by words how it blows my mind every time I play Metroid Prime 3, or how amazing was the first time I got into the last dungeon on Zelda TP. I tried to feel the same thing with other systems, but the only game I remember giving me this sensation was Half Life 2 on PC.
I just wished that Nintendo would take more risks with every single segment of the industry, and not just with the casual (WiiMusic, WiiFit are huge risks). The quirky, innovative games that interest us are relegated to few videos before launch (Fatal Frame 4 – wich isn’t that risky, and still just got (little) advertising two weeks before getting out, and still don’t have a localisation confirmation; Captain Rainbow looks like a really low budget title, even with such a great idea behind; and Wario Land was relegated to a corner in E3, with no mention on the press conference).

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